Forgive me for I have sinned (???)

Q&A and discussion on the world view encapsulating humanity's current stage of evolution

Moderator: Moderators - Public

Forgive me for I have sinned (???)

Postby FiatYod » Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:22 am

The word of Sin is Restriction.


Suppose that person A, who tries his best to live according to the Law of Thelema, restricted person B in some way.
Now, suppose that A has realized his Sin and that he wants to atone for it.
How should A do that, in addition to removing that restriction and apologizing to B?
User avatar
FiatYod
Gold Member
Gold Member
 
Posts: 108
Joined: Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:03 am

Re: Forgive me for I have sinned (???)

Postby Takamba » Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:28 am

FiatYod wrote:
The word of Sin is Restriction.



Suppose that person A, who tries his best to live according to the Law of Thelema, restricted person B in some way.
Now, suppose that A has realized his Sin and that he wants to atone for it.
How should A do that, in addition to removing that restriction and apologizing to B?


Keep in mind, there is no absolute answer. Each condition (C) will produce different methods for A to apply to this R of B.

Suggestion: If it causes no trauma too difficult to withstand for B, A can confess - thus liberating B from the perception of the R. This, of course, must be in tandem with A no longer doing the R thing. A should learn the lesson. B can be assisted by A if correction of C (thus becoming C+) is possible. If correction of C is not possible (keeping it now at C- thanks to A's R), A can vow to avoid said R ever again and absorb what karma (K) is resultant.

Just a suggestion (S) to aid in one's formulation of Will (W).
"If we are to have Beauty and Love, whether in begetting children or works of art, or what not, we must have perfect freedom to act, without fear or shame or any falsity."
User avatar
Takamba
Nothing
Nothing
 
Posts: 1568
Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:19 pm

Re: Forgive me for I have sinned (???)

Postby Takamba » Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:31 am

"There is no grace: there is no guilt: This is the Law: DO WHAT THOU WILT!"

But, Master Therion, what if there is guilt?

"Correct that!"

(that's what I imagine He would say)
"If we are to have Beauty and Love, whether in begetting children or works of art, or what not, we must have perfect freedom to act, without fear or shame or any falsity."
User avatar
Takamba
Nothing
Nothing
 
Posts: 1568
Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:19 pm

Re: Forgive me for I have sinned (???)

Postby FiatYod » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:47 am

Great answers, thanks a lot!
Would you add some sort of ritual to apologize to Nuit, too, if you were A?
User avatar
FiatYod
Gold Member
Gold Member
 
Posts: 108
Joined: Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:03 am

Re: Forgive me for I have sinned (???)

Postby Takamba » Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:25 am

FiatYod wrote:Great answers, thanks a lot!
Would you add some sort of ritual to apologize to Nuit, too, if you were A?

A blood oath to the offended (B) describing how you will never do it again. All the accouterments of establishing such an oath can be included as thou wilt. A can take B into a consecrated T and with M.S. (or A.D. as substitute, or any knife I suppose if must be), slice thy chest thrice screaming "NEVERMORE! NEVERMORE! NEVERMORE!"

And the end of your ritual, where one might insert the words "So Mote It Be" or "It is Done" or such, instead you say, "It is forgotten."

The internal image is of a solar-phallic Frog on a Cross of alabaster.

Or, just do what thou wilt and be done with it. Guilt is self-manufactured.

:bat:
"If we are to have Beauty and Love, whether in begetting children or works of art, or what not, we must have perfect freedom to act, without fear or shame or any falsity."
User avatar
Takamba
Nothing
Nothing
 
Posts: 1568
Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:19 pm

Re: Forgive me for I have sinned (???)

Postby Hermitas » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:37 pm

FiatYod wrote:Great answers, thanks a lot!
Would you add some sort of ritual to apologize to Nuit, too, if you were A?


I mean, look...

The prayer of repentance to the god thing is useful. It’s functional. It is a statement of the wrong with an apology and a will to do better. If you feel the need to do it, do as thou wilt. It works to change behavior.

But the thing is... that guilt before the god is old school.

You’re still putting the old self to death, dying to self, asking for rebirth, you’re regretting..

From one perspective, all that stuff feels perfectly natural. It’s ingrained.

But ideally, you’re now living under the Principle of the Child, not the Dying God.

Rather, accept yourself and your mistakes as necessary for your growth. Forgive yourself. Nuit already accepts you as you are. There is no breach in that relationship.

Anyway, that’s the best expression of it I can come up with right now.

So. Ideally, no. No prayer of repentance to Nuit. But as your need requires... for now.

My humble two cents.
User avatar
Hermitas
Nothing
Nothing
 
Posts: 1206
Joined: Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:49 am

Re: Forgive me for I have sinned (???)

Postby seekinghga » Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:01 pm

Hermitas wrote:Rather, accept yourself and your mistakes as necessary for your growth. Forgive yourself. Nuit already accepts you as you are. There is no breach in that relationship.

That is grade A+ plus awesomness! Exactly, for what it's worth from my opinion.
"And they that read the book and debated thereon passed into the desolate land of Barren Words. And they that sealed up the book into their blood were the chosen of Adonai, and the Thought of Adonai was a Word and a Deed; and they abode in the Land that the far-off travellers call Naught."
- LXV 5:59
seekinghga
Ultimate Spark of the Intimate Fire
Ultimate Spark of the Intimate Fire
 
Posts: 507
Joined: Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:30 pm
Location: PA


Return to Thelema

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests

cron